Lots has been talked about the implications of Social Media & Social Networks on the businesses & why they are imperative, et al.
It is a no brainer to figure out that since the businesses have to use social applications (social media + social networks) because of the customers & for the customers, CRM inevitably has to integrate with it too.
And there is a lot of discussion around the implications of social media on CRM or the integration of social media with CRM or leveraging the social networks for CRM, etc.
Look no further than the #scrm hashtag channel on twitter.com
The who's who of the CRM world espousing Social Media & Social Networks from a customer relationship perspective are available on this hashtag. Including yours truly as @scorpfromhell & @prem_k. I am guessing I am the junior most in this bunch & the most vociferous too. Please excuse my "immaturity" if you will. ;)
Today @JohnFMoore, CTO of Swimfish, Inc. asked
Can people give me three short, concise, points to get people excited about #scrm ?The guys on #scrm are ever helping & such leading questions help us define, redefine & refine our thoughts around the integration of social media & social networks with customer relationship management systems as well as strategy.
I responded & so did @ekolsky (Esteban Kolsky) and then we kept prancing & prodding each other. ;) The crux of the whole "altercation", as I understand it, is given below. Esteban, please correct me if I am wrong anywhere. :)
Esteban isn't impressed with the term Social CRM and I use it quite often & its even shorter term even more profusely - #scrm.
Esteban's contention, as I understand, is that Social CRM is nothing new or wholely different from traditional CRM. It is mere social media integrated with CRM. His stance, if I get correct, is that social media should be talked of only as an additional channel in CRM. Like the "e" channels were added to CRM some years back. He also vehemently claims that there is no new thing called Social CRM. Another point that he raises is that when email & IM/chat were integrated they were not called anything new, so why when social media is being integrated.
I agree with Esteban upto the point where he says that social media is just another channel in CRM & should be integrated with the CRM systems (as should social networks too).
I deviate where it comes to the naming. I use Social CRM as a second mention & #scrm as all subsequent mentions. First mention is usually one of the following:
- Social Media &/or Social Networks integrated with CRM
- Implications of Social Media &/or Social Networks on CRM
- Leveraging Social Media &/or Social Networks for building & maintaining Customer Relationships
Twitter of course doesn't allow me to use the first mention or sometimes even the second mention. The 140 character limit on the messages, the "@" mentions & the #scrm hashtag eat up too many characters as is. Hence, I end up using #scrm when I want to refer to any one of the above points. Most others too end up using similarly, for the most part. Additionally, #scrm helps in all the wonderful ways hashtags help on twitter.
Now, why use the new name Social CRM when we did not stick with e-CRM for long? Because I believe that the integration of the "s" channel differs from the "e" channel in certain aspects.
When email & IM/chat - the "e" channels - were added they still kept the interactions between the business & the customer private. It was one-to-one and nobody else was privy to the conversations or rather the dialogs. Promises made by the businesses when broken were not brought to light and the stress on the businesses to be accountable & fulfill their brand promise was not heavy.
Where as, with Social Media, the conversation between the customer & the business is open to scrutiny from all quarters & puts some pressure on the business to be accountable as well as keep their promises too.
Esteban cotends this stating that business will still be missing on the promises, explain & move on. I have no heart to deny that. Errant businesses will try to do that same routine, rinse & repeat. But my point was that it will be noticed more by the customers than with the "e" channels.
And then we agreed that even if customers notice more, business will change only if theres an impact on its culture & not merely technology.
Estaban was vehement that this was exactly what was stated when CRM was first introduced - culture, training, integration.
However whats different now, IMHO, is that the same platform (social applications) is now available to the customers to weild it against the business and VRM is a step in that direction too. I reiterated what I had said before on twitter, Social CRM is the peace pipe offered by the businesses to the customers armed with social media & VRM.
My view on the "s" vis-a-vis "e" channel integrations: CRM & the "e" channels came from the businesses, more or less, to control the customer relationships. The "s" channel is being forced upon the businesses by the empowered customers hell bent on weilding their new found powers upon the businesses. (Some would say that CRM & the "e" channels were forced upon the businesses too, by the sales people of the CRM vendors!)
Looking forward to listening from you all regarding this. :) Pointedly, do you agree that we need a new name for this integration of social media & social networks with customer relationship management systems or not?
Great discussion and thx for capturing (I was working when it happened ;-)
ReplyDeleteWith regard to your last question: before any new leap in advancement there is (some sort of) Chaos. We just need to be carefull with this SCRM "thing" becoming a new goose: everyone has heard about but nobody knows what it consists of or what it means when used AND they still all want it. That's when misinterpretations happen and people discussing might seem to agree (or not to agree), but in fact they were discussion from completely different references.
This is also part of Chaos. Great you pointed that out so clearly in this post.
I have not yet decided upon the necessity of a new name (let alone come up with one). I like it to be a bit chaotic for now ;-). We will figure it out. Reading your post might be like whitnessing the first steps emerging out of chaos. (it's exiting times ;-)
Wim Rampen
Thank you "dropping by" Wim. ;)
ReplyDeleteSometimes Twitter is too constrained & too noisy to follow. And since this discussion was too interesting & full of learning points, I felt a very great urge to expand the 140 char tweets into a ~1000 word post. :)
Yes, we are indeed living in exciting times & as all things popular, Social Media & its implications for business too is going through the Hype Cycle. Just hope we are able to get it to the plateau pretty soon.
Prem,
ReplyDeleteSorry it has taken this long to come over. Had your post opened for two days now, just now getting the time.
It is actually scary how your archiving habits in twitter give you sooo much of what i said in the past to use "against" me.
I have said and will continue to say the things you attribute to me. These is nothing new to social-crm that we have not seen before. even the channels.
I am not going to take issue with a # for twitter, but i am concerned that we are scaring people away from the value you so well point out by making it something different. We want people to take on this new social experiment for crm. granted, won't work for everyone initially... maybe never for some. but gotta try it.
and if we find a new name for it, then the people who did not get why they needed crm in the first place (most of them in high places in orgs) will have more ammunition to shut it down.
let's use the tag, no problem. but also, let's make sure we all understand that beyond that "cute" name there is evangelizing and education that must go on.
Thanks for a great blog... very well said (i am still scared of the things i say i the past and how the live on...)
FWIW - I can say from direct experience that 'sCRM' is indeed a 'new' phenomena. eCRM was new - it required changes in old methods of dealing with customers, and required a shift in thinking. Some business don't even use 'CRM' as a term - they use databases of customers with notes, and have 'Customer Service' depts. What's in a name? Not a lot - it is just a 'handle' for a concept.
ReplyDeleteBut in the case of the paradigm shift that is Social Media - well, most Customer Service depts are going to have to practically reinvent themselves. Starting with opening up the corporate firewall...
That deserves a 'handle' that highlights the distinction and the change required. I agree it is an evolution of eCRM, which is an evolution of CRM, which is an evolution of Customer Services... but the web didn't really need to be called 'Web 2.0' - nor did Social Media *need* defining.. the web has always been about people. Businesses just managed to hijack it for a handful of years ;-)
Anyway - I will be mentioning sCRM in the Social Media Strategy doc that I am working on, because if I didn't - the 'Customer Experience' team won't know that they need to change.
Thanks for putting the post up - food for thought for sure - see you in #scrm :)